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		<title>By: HelenKay</title>
		<link>http://helenkaydimon.com/blog/2006/08/the-ranting-of-a-chick/#comment-2840</link>
		<dc:creator>HelenKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 13:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diana - I actually had to wait two days before I could click on the link you provided.  I just knew the article would tick me off...and it did.  The &quot;real books can&#039;t get published&quot; argument is so silly I almost didn&#039;t think it needed to be addressed but then I kept seeing it over and over.  People keep saying it as if it&#039;s valid or as if it makes sense, which is very frustrating.

Lauren -  Thank you for putting THIS IS CHICK LIT together.  I truly admire your respectful and smart introduction in the book.  And, absolutely, there is nothing vitriolic or inappropriate about THIS IS CHICK LIT in my view.  It&#039;s in reaction to another book, yes, but it proves by example the point that chick lit is worthy writing.  I&#039;ll add a disclaimer in the main test so that it&#039;s clear I am not referring to the book when speaking of the chick lit side of the debate. 

The flu in summer - that just stinks.  Feel better soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diana &#8211; I actually had to wait two days before I could click on the link you provided.  I just knew the article would tick me off&#8230;and it did.  The &#8220;real books can&#8217;t get published&#8221; argument is so silly I almost didn&#8217;t think it needed to be addressed but then I kept seeing it over and over.  People keep saying it as if it&#8217;s valid or as if it makes sense, which is very frustrating.</p>
<p>Lauren &#8211;  Thank you for putting THIS IS CHICK LIT together.  I truly admire your respectful and smart introduction in the book.  And, absolutely, there is nothing vitriolic or inappropriate about THIS IS CHICK LIT in my view.  It&#8217;s in reaction to another book, yes, but it proves by example the point that chick lit is worthy writing.  I&#8217;ll add a disclaimer in the main test so that it&#8217;s clear I am not referring to the book when speaking of the chick lit side of the debate. </p>
<p>The flu in summer &#8211; that just stinks.  Feel better soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren Baratz-Logsted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren Baratz-Logsted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 23:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this thoughtful blog and, in particular, for clarifying that THIS IS CHICK-LIT is concilliatory as opposed to vitriolic. (Please excuse any typos in this post, whose author consumed a whopping glass of wine, despite the flu, due to having two books pub in one day.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this thoughtful blog and, in particular, for clarifying that THIS IS CHICK-LIT is concilliatory as opposed to vitriolic. (Please excuse any typos in this post, whose author consumed a whopping glass of wine, despite the flu, due to having two books pub in one day.)</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://helenkaydimon.com/blog/2006/08/the-ranting-of-a-chick/#comment-2830</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all of your points HelenKay. I even concede the bit about most of the ranting being about the covers. Last week, while viewing some of the rants going on, it DID seem to be mostly about the covers, along the lines of &quot;Chick lit is bad, have you SEEN those tacky covers?&quot; but now everyone seems to be jumping on the &quot;it&#039;s keeping the real books from being published&quot; bandwagon.

I found this little rant to be particularly insulting:
http://www.weeklydig.com/arts/articles/chick_lit_is_hurting_america

(I hope this link posts and doesn&#039;t spam me out.)

Ah, anonymous vitriol. Always something to take seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of your points HelenKay. I even concede the bit about most of the ranting being about the covers. Last week, while viewing some of the rants going on, it DID seem to be mostly about the covers, along the lines of &#8220;Chick lit is bad, have you SEEN those tacky covers?&#8221; but now everyone seems to be jumping on the &#8220;it&#8217;s keeping the real books from being published&#8221; bandwagon.</p>
<p>I found this little rant to be particularly insulting:<br />
<a href="http://www.weeklydig.com/arts/articles/chick_lit_is_hurting_america" rel="nofollow">http://www.weeklydig.com/arts/articles/chick_lit_is_hurting_america</a></p>
<p>(I hope this link posts and doesn&#8217;t spam me out.)</p>
<p>Ah, anonymous vitriol. Always something to take seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: HelenKay</title>
		<link>http://helenkaydimon.com/blog/2006/08/the-ranting-of-a-chick/#comment-2824</link>
		<dc:creator>HelenKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 01:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Isn’t there a section in the “THIS IS CHICK LIT” book where every chick lit author recommends their favorite lit work? &lt;/em&gt; There is. THIS IS CHICK LIT also includes a very well written forward by Lauren Baratz-Logsted where she talks about her reaction to the THIS IS NOT CHICK LIT book and her frustrations with this topic.  She is smart and logical.  She also remains very respectful of literary writers.  When I said chick lit writers bear some responsibility in this debate I was not talking about Lauren or about any of the authors in the THIS IS CHICK LIT book.  It was a general observation.  But, I agree that the vitriol originates significantly more from one side of this debate than the other.    

I&#039;m not sure I agree with your point on the covers.  I think this is more than just a complaint about packaging.  It may have started that way, and the publishers may have done us all a disservice in that respect, but now chick lit stands as the agreed-upon cause of all of the budens female literary writers must overcome in their careers.  The &quot;chick lit novels demean women and make it hard for any female writer to be taken seriously&quot; refrain is one I read and hear all the time.  That&#039;s really not a cover issue.  It&#039;s a content-judgment issue.  Every single time I read or hear this argument I have to resist the urge to shake someone.  Really, can you think of a single male writer who suffers from the same criticism - that he and his writing choices demean other men and cause men to have difficulty getting taken seriously in publishing?  Men&#039;s Adventure?  Horror?  No.  

For me, the &quot;written by women for women label&quot; is not the issue either.  A tagline didn&#039;t cause this rift.  In-fighting between women caused this mess.  True, the tagline has become a generalized excuse for the extreme reaction to chick lit by some women writers.  But, really, women should be smarter than this. And more responsible.   Instead of screaming and denying, we should all be able to accept that others write and prefer to read different types of books.  That would take the steam out of the argument.  Control it.    

My biggest issue is that the entire chick-lit-is-bad argument carries with it a twinge (more than a  twinge, really) of women needing to be protected from certain forms of entertainment.  Frankly, I don&#039;t need to be protected.  I don&#039;t need female writers and critics telling me I&#039;m being put down.  I know when someone is putting me down and, to me, being told what I should read and what books have value is the ultimate in condescension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Isn’t there a section in the “THIS IS CHICK LIT” book where every chick lit author recommends their favorite lit work? </em> There is. THIS IS CHICK LIT also includes a very well written forward by Lauren Baratz-Logsted where she talks about her reaction to the THIS IS NOT CHICK LIT book and her frustrations with this topic.  She is smart and logical.  She also remains very respectful of literary writers.  When I said chick lit writers bear some responsibility in this debate I was not talking about Lauren or about any of the authors in the THIS IS CHICK LIT book.  It was a general observation.  But, I agree that the vitriol originates significantly more from one side of this debate than the other.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with your point on the covers.  I think this is more than just a complaint about packaging.  It may have started that way, and the publishers may have done us all a disservice in that respect, but now chick lit stands as the agreed-upon cause of all of the budens female literary writers must overcome in their careers.  The &#8220;chick lit novels demean women and make it hard for any female writer to be taken seriously&#8221; refrain is one I read and hear all the time.  That&#8217;s really not a cover issue.  It&#8217;s a content-judgment issue.  Every single time I read or hear this argument I have to resist the urge to shake someone.  Really, can you think of a single male writer who suffers from the same criticism &#8211; that he and his writing choices demean other men and cause men to have difficulty getting taken seriously in publishing?  Men&#8217;s Adventure?  Horror?  No.  </p>
<p>For me, the &#8220;written by women for women label&#8221; is not the issue either.  A tagline didn&#8217;t cause this rift.  In-fighting between women caused this mess.  True, the tagline has become a generalized excuse for the extreme reaction to chick lit by some women writers.  But, really, women should be smarter than this. And more responsible.   Instead of screaming and denying, we should all be able to accept that others write and prefer to read different types of books.  That would take the steam out of the argument.  Control it.    </p>
<p>My biggest issue is that the entire chick-lit-is-bad argument carries with it a twinge (more than a  twinge, really) of women needing to be protected from certain forms of entertainment.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t need to be protected.  I don&#8217;t need female writers and critics telling me I&#8217;m being put down.  I know when someone is putting me down and, to me, being told what I should read and what books have value is the ultimate in condescension.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://helenkaydimon.com/blog/2006/08/the-ranting-of-a-chick/#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 23:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen some of the &quot;Literary is boring&quot; arguments, but from what I&#039;ve seen, they are only a fraction of the &quot;chick lit is bad because the covers are pastel&quot; ones. Mostly, I&#039;ve seen the chick lit writers accept and champion the literary authors, and the latter turn around and say, &quot;Of course you honor your betters.&quot; Isn&#039;t there a section in the &quot;THIS IS CHICK LIT&quot; book where every chick lit author recommends their favorite lit work? Most lit/genre snobbery I&#039;ve witnessed is sadly one-sided. Though there are plenty of people who only read romance or SF or mysteries or what not, I&#039;ve yet to hear a genre lover say, &quot;Faulkner? I never read that trash.&quot;

But I completely agree with you that this sort of backstabbing on gender bases seems limited to writers of women&#039;s fiction. Still, it has to be, because there&#039;s no such thing as &quot;men&#039;s fiction.&quot; the Patterson situation doens&#039;t happen because he&#039;s not represented as &quot;fiction for women by women&quot; but &quot;fiction for reader by writer.&quot; Such is not the case for chick lit, and even romance. 

The lit writer&#039;s argument would have held water if it had been tweaked slightly: a few years ago, some lit books were completely misrepresented as chick lit in order to sell to the chick lit-friendly market. I bought some of them, thinking I was getting a funny beach read in -- yes -- a pastel pink cover, and being shocked when the packaging/cover/blurb/marketing was all wrong. I wish this was the argument that they took. Their beef isn&#039;t with writers of chick lit, or even with publishers of chick lit, but with publishers of lit fiction so hungry for the dollar that they were willing to shove books that didn&#039;t belong there into the chick lit slot. THAT is the problem, and THAT is where a book with a black cover proclaiming that NO, it&#039;s NOT chick lit, might have been cute. 

I&#039;m a chick lit author and I love literary books. Did a whole degree on them. And I don&#039;t much care whether my books are characterized as &quot;frothy beach reads&quot; or &quot;satirical feminist tracts.&quot; I can see both sides of that argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen some of the &#8220;Literary is boring&#8221; arguments, but from what I&#8217;ve seen, they are only a fraction of the &#8220;chick lit is bad because the covers are pastel&#8221; ones. Mostly, I&#8217;ve seen the chick lit writers accept and champion the literary authors, and the latter turn around and say, &#8220;Of course you honor your betters.&#8221; Isn&#8217;t there a section in the &#8220;THIS IS CHICK LIT&#8221; book where every chick lit author recommends their favorite lit work? Most lit/genre snobbery I&#8217;ve witnessed is sadly one-sided. Though there are plenty of people who only read romance or SF or mysteries or what not, I&#8217;ve yet to hear a genre lover say, &#8220;Faulkner? I never read that trash.&#8221;</p>
<p>But I completely agree with you that this sort of backstabbing on gender bases seems limited to writers of women&#8217;s fiction. Still, it has to be, because there&#8217;s no such thing as &#8220;men&#8217;s fiction.&#8221; the Patterson situation doens&#8217;t happen because he&#8217;s not represented as &#8220;fiction for women by women&#8221; but &#8220;fiction for reader by writer.&#8221; Such is not the case for chick lit, and even romance. </p>
<p>The lit writer&#8217;s argument would have held water if it had been tweaked slightly: a few years ago, some lit books were completely misrepresented as chick lit in order to sell to the chick lit-friendly market. I bought some of them, thinking I was getting a funny beach read in &#8212; yes &#8212; a pastel pink cover, and being shocked when the packaging/cover/blurb/marketing was all wrong. I wish this was the argument that they took. Their beef isn&#8217;t with writers of chick lit, or even with publishers of chick lit, but with publishers of lit fiction so hungry for the dollar that they were willing to shove books that didn&#8217;t belong there into the chick lit slot. THAT is the problem, and THAT is where a book with a black cover proclaiming that NO, it&#8217;s NOT chick lit, might have been cute. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a chick lit author and I love literary books. Did a whole degree on them. And I don&#8217;t much care whether my books are characterized as &#8220;frothy beach reads&#8221; or &#8220;satirical feminist tracts.&#8221; I can see both sides of that argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Cuppacafe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This isn&#8217;t Chick Lit either</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cuppacafe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; This isn&#8217;t Chick Lit either</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] HelenKay can rant much better than I can. I originally saw the &#8220;This is not Chick Lit&#8221; book and the mini controversy around it, but not having picked the book up, I couldn&#8217;t really do a blind rant about the topic based solely on the promotion of the thing. After all, I&#8217;m not a writer, why should I care that a collection of &#8220;literature&#8221; gets promoted by using a title to declare that it&#8217;s not something? HelenKay starts out by slashing into a review/commentary by Collette Bancroft  who has her nose so far up in the air you can see the whites of her pineal gland:  Bancroft praises the new release This Is Not Chick Lit seemingly on the basis that the stories are written by women with MFAs and possess other credentials Bancroft deems acceptable. In case you&#8217;re wondering, having an MFA or attending an Ivy League or other prestigious university is not sufficient. No, not for Bancroft. She insists that writers have both the credentials she finds worthy and that these writers produce work she deems worthy. Apparently acceptance, flexibility, support and freedom of choice are not values to be held in any sort of esteem in Bancroft&#8217;s world. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] HelenKay can rant much better than I can. I originally saw the &#8220;This is not Chick Lit&#8221; book and the mini controversy around it, but not having picked the book up, I couldn&#8217;t really do a blind rant about the topic based solely on the promotion of the thing. After all, I&#8217;m not a writer, why should I care that a collection of &#8220;literature&#8221; gets promoted by using a title to declare that it&#8217;s not something? HelenKay starts out by slashing into a review/commentary by Collette Bancroft  who has her nose so far up in the air you can see the whites of her pineal gland:  Bancroft praises the new release This Is Not Chick Lit seemingly on the basis that the stories are written by women with MFAs and possess other credentials Bancroft deems acceptable. In case you&#8217;re wondering, having an MFA or attending an Ivy League or other prestigious university is not sufficient. No, not for Bancroft. She insists that writers have both the credentials she finds worthy and that these writers produce work she deems worthy. Apparently acceptance, flexibility, support and freedom of choice are not values to be held in any sort of esteem in Bancroft&#8217;s world. [...]</p>
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